Veggie Tale
I didn't really interpret this tale as a fairy tale. It does have the transformation but that didn't seem like enough. I didn't really feel
like it was a Kunstmärchen either. There is no desire to travel and no passionate desire to know or get something beyond one's reach. The mother does want to know the truth about the baby but in a way she already knows or at least suspects. I feel that either way she is not that passionate about finding the truth. The tale reminds me the most of mythology. It recycles the idea of the innocent human being raped by the miraculous being. When I first began reading the story I thought of the mythological stories of Zeus and his affairs with earthly women, most specifically Zeus/Leda. Usually rape tales end contain a supernatural child, a freak child, a demigod or tragic ending. Usually the tales point to a dominate patriarchy or powerful empire and lust or rape as love. The "rape" in the beginning demonstrates plant's dominance over man and beast but also the supernatural or unexplainable over man and reason. The mom doesn't want to except what happened because it is not reasonable and she won't ell anyone either. The "foolhardy theoreticians" and "pedants" are unable to grasp the supernatural at the end of the tale. They hypothesize that the mom and husband are hysterical. They are "sinners" because they try to separate the "real" and divine/spiritual through reason and scientific practice. The rape also seems like a love scene because they seem to connect in the eyes and they are compelled by a yearning and a magical force. The story also resembles the Christ story to me because the "rape" seems parallel to the impregnation of the virgin, the daughter has some type of spiritual connection to her father ( the father is there but not there "vegetational fatherhood") and knows more than the mother and the daughter dies because of those who don't believe and those who witness the event are considered crazy. I don't know. What do you guys make of the first page and the ending? There is a large emphasis of the supernatural, spiritual, consciousness, the limits of scholars, and what we choose to believe. I guess that makes it a Kunstmärchen.
like it was a Kunstmärchen either. There is no desire to travel and no passionate desire to know or get something beyond one's reach. The mother does want to know the truth about the baby but in a way she already knows or at least suspects. I feel that either way she is not that passionate about finding the truth. The tale reminds me the most of mythology. It recycles the idea of the innocent human being raped by the miraculous being. When I first began reading the story I thought of the mythological stories of Zeus and his affairs with earthly women, most specifically Zeus/Leda. Usually rape tales end contain a supernatural child, a freak child, a demigod or tragic ending. Usually the tales point to a dominate patriarchy or powerful empire and lust or rape as love. The "rape" in the beginning demonstrates plant's dominance over man and beast but also the supernatural or unexplainable over man and reason. The mom doesn't want to except what happened because it is not reasonable and she won't ell anyone either. The "foolhardy theoreticians" and "pedants" are unable to grasp the supernatural at the end of the tale. They hypothesize that the mom and husband are hysterical. They are "sinners" because they try to separate the "real" and divine/spiritual through reason and scientific practice. The rape also seems like a love scene because they seem to connect in the eyes and they are compelled by a yearning and a magical force. The story also resembles the Christ story to me because the "rape" seems parallel to the impregnation of the virgin, the daughter has some type of spiritual connection to her father ( the father is there but not there "vegetational fatherhood") and knows more than the mother and the daughter dies because of those who don't believe and those who witness the event are considered crazy. I don't know. What do you guys make of the first page and the ending? There is a large emphasis of the supernatural, spiritual, consciousness, the limits of scholars, and what we choose to believe. I guess that makes it a Kunstmärchen.
I like how you tied elements of mythology into the story, as well as linking it to the birth of Christ. My question about Zeus's children...i may be mistaken but doesn't bad things usually happen to the child or woman the god is sleeping with. For example, one of his children is born from his head. Also, i remember one story where the woman he was sleeping with wanted to see him in his true form, and died upon seeing it? Also if it is a myth, what is it trying to explain the existence of?
I like how you connected the story with a number of outside ideas (mythology and religion). I also saw a connection between the virgin girl who becomes impregnated by the rose and the virgin Mary. I did not view the dream/sex scene as a rape though. I read it more as them making love...a connection between nature and man. The dream was just put in place so the pregnancy was more believable because all things are possible in dreams.